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Amber Case:

we used to have feeds, but they got out of date from the HTML, and then got truncated to get people back to the site

back in 2004, @kevinmarks and @t proposed #microformats - marking up the HTML of the site rather than a separate feed

Scott Rosenberg:

You don't want to tell people history, I've tried that and it doesn't work

Scott Jenson:

you want to tell people what the benefits are, not the history, that comes later

Dan Gillmor:

understanding what microformats are and why is not important - tell us how to do it, not what

Tantek Çelik:

a lot of what blogging got stalled on was an overemphasis of the underlying plumbing - the XML button was confusing

Amber Case:

where to put microformats on your site, put links to your social profiles

Dan Gillmor:

we enjoy twitter -we don't want to give up the fun part of the silo app

we want the decentralised web back when we were bloggers and we do want that back

our use case is that we like creating stuff on the web, we are conversant with domain hosting to cpanel

It's a starter audience between you adn teh public

Amber Case:

if we give you a way to do POSEE and brid.gy, you'll be happy?

Dan Gillmor:

we'd be ecstatic with that

Amber Case:

I find it easier to make a comic than to write a long pdf rather than a post

Dan Gillmor:

the good side of a comic is it can be visual, the bad side of it is a pdf is not weblike

ʞooH ɯlǝsu∀:

opening panels discussing frustrations with silos - that is attention getting

Kevin Marks:

the opening explanation of losing things you put up online is strong

Dan Gillmor:

I want to make sure that the old Well adage of "you own your words" applies on the web

Amber Case:

there are a lot of people who want to get back to what they had on the web

Dan Gillmor:

but without losing the value of the new stuff brid.gy is very exciting from that point of view

Scott Jenson:

people will attack us wiht the existing communities volume - can we grow to their size?

Amber Case:

we don't need to - the point is to connect to them too so that people there can see it too

Scott Jenson:

we still play nice with all your friends on Facebook and twitter

I don't want to lose my existing following on twitter and facebook

ʞooH ɯlǝsu∀:

have a look at the Why The Lucky Stiff comics too

Amber Case:

do you remember when your stuff disappeared? Or when there was a redesign that made the thing you liked vanish?

we're trying to find our way back to the old web, without losing the new world of twitter and facebook

here are 2 thinsg we do: first POSSE - publish on your site first, share on the social networks

second, brid.gy will being back the comments from twitter and facebook to your site too

Scott Jenson:

just make sure we describe it as a high level value for you and your friends

Dan Gillmor:

the conversations you create live on your site even though people participate from lots of other places

Amber Case:

should we have a "what's next?" where you don't have a 3rd party any more, or what?

think of all the data you produce, could you have that in once place too?

ʞooH ɯlǝsu∀:

there are so many things you can't put inside facebook; an art project, a wiki - you can be more expressive

Kevin Marks:

what about people deliberately segmenting their postings to different silos?

Scott Jenson:

I'm a big user of plex - I can invite anyone into it to see the videos I have within my home

the new way of thinking is without posting to any silos, can you talk from one site to another

Amber Case:

you can have a future conversation without routing through the silos

ʞooH ɯlǝsu∀:

even roughly emulating facebook in the open is a good thing - a blended mix of yourself and others

Dan Gillmor:

it's community plus freedom, not an either or

Amber Case:

there aren't many blogs that accept webmention yet. we need to have more of that

Kevin Marks:

would something like indienews help to bootstrap web mentions - like RSS pingservers were

Scott Jenson:

it's a comic book - lets use diagrams - rise above twitter and facebook and linkedin?

Amber Case:

how about side by side and within? we're not saying we're better than them

Kevin Marks:

a metaphor that works is the city versus the suburb, like this: http://grist.org/list/everything-thats-wrong-with-the-suburbs-in-one-image/ more than one route through in indieweb

a metaphor that works is the city versus the suburb, like this: http://grist.org/list/everything-thats-wrong-with-the-suburbs-in-one-image/ more than one route through

just realised we've been talking about comics for ages and I haven't linked to http://imgur.com/eWjDz yet

ʞooH ɯlǝsu∀:

on facebook nothing is real - I can't even link to my stuff; some get it some don't, it might be erased - a dreamworld

Amber Case:

start with human stories - I'm Dan and I had lots of my work disappear

ʞooH ɯlǝsu∀:

content of mine is often zapped - and it's not racy

Scott Jenson:

we want to have some catchy intellectual catchphrase

not so much a catchphrase as a statement of value