Scott Rosenberg:we used to have feeds, but they got out of date from the HTML, and then got truncated to get people back to the site
back in 2004, @kevinmarks and @t proposed #microformats - marking up the HTML of the site rather than a separate feed
Scott Jenson:You don't want to tell people history, I've tried that and it doesn't work
Dan Gillmor:you want to tell people what the benefits are, not the history, that comes later
Tantek Çelik:understanding what microformats are and why is not important - tell us how to do it, not what
Amber Case:a lot of what blogging got stalled on was an overemphasis of the underlying plumbing - the XML button was confusing
where to put microformats on your site, put links to your social profiles
Amber Case:we enjoy twitter -we don't want to give up the fun part of the silo app
we want the decentralised web back when we were bloggers and we do want that back
our use case is that we like creating stuff on the web, we are conversant with domain hosting to cpanel
It's a starter audience between you adn teh public
Dan Gillmor:if we give you a way to do POSEE and brid.gy, you'll be happy?
Amber Case:we'd be ecstatic with that
Dan Gillmor:I find it easier to make a comic than to write a long pdf rather than a post
ʞooH ɯlǝsu∀:the good side of a comic is it can be visual, the bad side of it is a pdf is not weblike
Kevin Marks:opening panels discussing frustrations with silos - that is attention getting
Dan Gillmor:the opening explanation of losing things you put up online is strong
Amber Case:I want to make sure that the old Well adage of "you own your words" applies on the web
Dan Gillmor:there are a lot of people who want to get back to what they had on the web
Scott Jenson:but without losing the value of the new stuff brid.gy is very exciting from that point of view
Amber Case:people will attack us wiht the existing communities volume - can we grow to their size?
Scott Jenson:we don't need to - the point is to connect to them too so that people there can see it too
ʞooH ɯlǝsu∀:we still play nice with all your friends on Facebook and twitter
I don't want to lose my existing following on twitter and facebook
Amber Case:have a look at the Why The Lucky Stiff comics too
Scott Jenson:do you remember when your stuff disappeared? Or when there was a redesign that made the thing you liked vanish?
we're trying to find our way back to the old web, without losing the new world of twitter and facebook
here are 2 thinsg we do: first POSSE - publish on your site first, share on the social networks
second, brid.gy will being back the comments from twitter and facebook to your site too
Dan Gillmor:just make sure we describe it as a high level value for you and your friends
Amber Case:the conversations you create live on your site even though people participate from lots of other places
ʞooH ɯlǝsu∀:should we have a "what's next?" where you don't have a 3rd party any more, or what?
think of all the data you produce, could you have that in once place too?
Kevin Marks:there are so many things you can't put inside facebook; an art project, a wiki - you can be more expressive
Scott Jenson:what about people deliberately segmenting their postings to different silos?
Amber Case:I'm a big user of plex - I can invite anyone into it to see the videos I have within my home
the new way of thinking is without posting to any silos, can you talk from one site to another
ʞooH ɯlǝsu∀:you can have a future conversation without routing through the silos
Dan Gillmor:even roughly emulating facebook in the open is a good thing - a blended mix of yourself and others
Amber Case:it's community plus freedom, not an either or
Kevin Marks:there aren't many blogs that accept webmention yet. we need to have more of that
Scott Jenson:would something like indienews help to bootstrap web mentions - like RSS pingservers were
Amber Case:it's a comic book - lets use diagrams - rise above twitter and facebook and linkedin?
Kevin Marks:how about side by side and within? we're not saying we're better than them
ʞooH ɯlǝsu∀:a metaphor that works is the city versus the suburb, like this: http://grist.org/list/everything-thats-wrong-with-the-suburbs-in-one-image/ more than one route through in indieweb
a metaphor that works is the city versus the suburb, like this: http://grist.org/list/everything-thats-wrong-with-the-suburbs-in-one-image/ more than one route through
just realised we've been talking about comics for ages and I haven't linked to http://imgur.com/eWjDz yet
Amber Case:on facebook nothing is real - I can't even link to my stuff; some get it some don't, it might be erased - a dreamworld
ʞooH ɯlǝsu∀:start with human stories - I'm Dan and I had lots of my work disappear
Scott Jenson:content of mine is often zapped - and it's not racy
we want to have some catchy intellectual catchphrase
not so much a catchphrase as a statement of value