brianbehlendorf:there are a lot of standards being developed outside the core standards bodies like IETF and w3c - like whatwg
Tantek Çelik:Apache got fed up with w3c process a while ago. Trouble is that nobody changes their mind in public any more
if you can talk with people in person you can often change their minds and then have it formally reflected
I tried to implement OpenID at ostpc.gov - if you used Yahoo's OpenID you got a horrible ugly url
I view the ability to have private communications between individuals as a human right - end to end encryption
Jason Ingalls:can we ensure that privacy against people who have nuclear weapons?
Tantek Çelik:I can give them a run for their money
think of security as like a block of swiss cheese - you don't want those holes to line up and make a path through
John Rogerson:I want to harden myself to a reasonable level of security, but not from state-level actors
brianbehlendorf:I worry about the silos creating attractive pools of data that is worth hacking
Tantek Çelik:the NTP amplification attack last week meant that NTP daemons could be used to DDoS others
brianbehlendorf:we care less about use of resources than compromising our private data
we want to be able to send and host private messages peer to peer without them being compromised
Tantek Çelik:if you want to host an email server you want to make sure you aren't on a host that has been blacklisted before
brianbehlendorf:email is not hackable in the good sense- you can't set it up yourself and hack it
Tantek Çelik:one problem with indieweb is that we don't have an end to end internet any more
brianbehlendorf:we're not trying to reinvent DNS - we assume that works and we'll use it. Lets solve other problems first
the big problems are mostly UI and not plumbing - that is what holds back the indieweb. Solve UI first
my whole site is set up on flat files, I don't even use a database - I don't need to remember some bizarro mysql password
Tantek Çelik:I love that tantek and I are fetishizing different bits of the stack - I like mail, he likes files
John Rogerson:I can't trust those [email] specs because there aren't test suites for them, unlike HTTP and SSL and HTML
we are trying to solve SSL certs for indieweb, but it is still hard
we have instructions for ssl on various different hosting services: http://indiewebcamp.com/https
Tantek Çelik:I've been using Sovereign which is a set of scripts to configure a VPN to host things for you
I like the parallel from the Homebrew Computer Club - it took a while to get things working for them
brianbehlendorf:the original Homebrew Computing Club didn't have the knowledge sharing mechanisms we get to use easily
Tantek Çelik:what if most of us got our sustenance from McDonalds, Taco Bell, Subway - we'd lose something. We want kitchens
brianbehlendorf:it's good that McDonalds are serving unhealthy food, because it gives us a reason to go indie.
If McDonalds could actually serve a full organic paleo meal then it would be more problematic
did you know the US Postal Service was created before the revolution so they could communicate without the crown eavesdropping?